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Edit: Note that the poll is asking if you should be banned for macro'ing to level your skills when you have hardly any time at all per day to ever be on EA, let alone level your skills. Also the simple meaning of this debate is about whether all macro'ers should be banned vs. only players who don't need to macro(like they play for over 6 hours every day anyways) should be banned, while players who need to macro(meaning they only play for 1-2 hours or less a day, and need the macro'ing simply to keep up with 6+ hours a day players) should not be banned.

So I've been wondering... thinking about macros(or simply just leaving a paper weight on the button) and the need for fairplay of those who work hard on their in-game skills.

Now about that, there is many factors that bother me... obviously the points about banning use of macros. But I notice it's very vague, it's targetted towards those that put in a good >6 to <8(less than 6 to greater than 8) hours per day(HPD), or (>40<) hours per week(HPW), and macro inbetween when they're not playing.
Well that's obviously highly unfair to those who may spend (>1 to <2 maybe >3) hours a day playing EA and macroing inbetween... especially for me, since half of every day is spent with my stepfather either using heavy bittorrenting(can't macro if the game keeps cutting out) or just on the computer in general.

I realize that the initial point of preventing macroing and such is to prevent cheating. But my arguement is that it's being entirely indiscriminating of all types of players. This is an MMORPG, remember how vast the playerbase can be, and how different many players can be from each other.
I'm happy to see that it is an attempt to make the game more user friendly and fair, and honestly a couple years ago, and any time earlier, I was a 40+ HPW gamer... back then I would simply just be one to say that any player who plays as little as I do now, really shouldn't be playing MMORPGs like EA at all. I really would have said that back then, but now that I am one those >10< HPW gamers... I feel differently, I'm seeing it from a much different angle... an unfair angle. But regardless... I love EA, I'm happy that it's back, and that it's free, I don't have to worry about wasting a monthly fee on such little game-time... which only adds to the fact that I adore EA as one of the greatest ever MMOGs.


My debate here is, should the banning of macro'ers discriminate between >40< HPW gamers, and >10< HPW gamers?

But then again, how would you know? Well, I suppose you know now that I'm one of those >10< HPW gamers(usually less when dealing with family matter and longer work days on top of University and studying)... and it would probably be hard to tell who's a >10< HPW gamer and who's a >40< HPW gamer...
But still, I find it highly unfair from my point of view, and I do feel that those who spend >40< HPW + macroing really are making it unfair for >40< HPW who don't macro... but to only play >10< HPW + macroing hardly seems worthy of a crime, even when macroing battle skills... because honestly, am I really going to be able to level melee or shapeshifting etc during those 1-2 hours mostly spent using a gun and doing quests? I would level everything so incredibly SLOWLY that when a >40< HPW + macroing gamer started at the same time I did, achieved level 18... I would probably be level 10, that is if I macro'd too.

->Edit: Honestly, put yourself in my position, and tell me how you would feel. Take a moment to just remove yourself from all your securities and just imagine you're only on the computer for 1-2 hours every day, and stressed out dealing with all your work and studying etc... and ask yourself what it feels like to be unable to keep up with any of the regular players, with all your in-game friends... to be isolated. To love a game like EA so much and yet... feel so unable to enjoy it, because of how slow you must level... where your best form of stress relief is EA, but every time you login... you're always at the same level for everything... always going at the same slow speed, watching everyone show off all their equipment and loot from all their many many hours of gaming that you cannot achieve.
How would you feel?<-


So again, my debate is:
Should the Banning of Macro'ers Discriminate between >40< HPW Gamers, and >10< Gamers?

OnTheEdge

Stop using random colors. Indiscriminate is an adjective, and it doesn't make sense the way you're using it. I'm not really playing right now so I don't know how macroers are being treated.

Is your question:
Should the devs discriminate between heavy and light gamers in regards to macro rule enforcement?

hypnopants

sorry I was writing it inbetween questions on my philosophy assignment >.<
yes, that is what my question is.

and the colours are important! just read it over slowly, it's a debate thread, so messages should be read slowly, not skimmed through. Otherwise you miss the point of the debate, and the reasoning for each side.

Da Vinci

im not reading that, it hurts my eyes...

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Linkster

hey..i dont think the gamers who macro should have anything done to them...****, thats the whole point of this game nowa days, macro just to get stats...i think if sumone is found AFK macroing in destroyer or sumthing they should be moved, cuz u should pay attention in there anyways..too many AFK Pkers as well. but yea i dont think they should be banned for it cuz its a part of the game now. just go about ur biz...if u cant beat um...join um

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hypnopants

is that better? :P

Killjoy

dude the community is too small as it is... if we ban any more we wont have a community other than noobs who run around like what is a macro?

but i think battleskills shouldnt be macroed and you should be moved if you are doing it. therefore you waste your time and therefore its not worth it.

i think there should be 2 gms from each timezone so if one is not able to get on then the other is and at all times of day they are available. this way if you page a gm then you can say this person is afk macroing and they can be moved away

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solodynasty

Ok, Take into consideration that
1) Not alot of people have time to play and are still out there.
2) Max level, the max level is 18 for most skills so it should take about the same about of time to get from 1-18 as 1-70 in WoW except that there isnt enough content in game to go that slow.
3)Trade skills only way to level is macro unless you want to click 1million times.
4) Macroing is that big of a deal as long as its not a combat skill macroing which is illegal.
5) The only combat skill that is allowed to be macroed is SS focus macro which goes up slower than if you only got to play 1-2 hours a day
6)Just change the color of your post it hurts my eyes :/

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ArceusSP

I don't really wanna have a say in this I dont macro and probably never will all my skills are self-earned... So i dont know if a macroer has an advantage...
E.G. My old friend Rip, i have seen him macroing in 4F for over a week ( no joke) and everytime i try to shoot him it says this player is not lvl 12 yet so i'm like dude quit macroing and go out there and get the levels urself 'cause i can get to lvl 12 in less than a week by only playing 1 hr a day so yeah i dont really know wat to say...

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sometimes its best to just not say anything at all septic, you sound like a frantic puppy dog

and anyone who says they never macro'd is either lying, can't figure out how to do it, or their parents wont let them leave the game on for that long cause they wanna look at the weather report regularly

macroing is the only way this game works. if ANY mob would give decent % in this game maybe it would be worth doing a bit of a manual grind. but punishing someone for not paying attention to a macro in EA? that's like sending your kid to the grocery store and tripping him every 2 minutes

a solution? make quest mobs worth some nice XP, let the game give you % as you work through it. don't make MC/WT a completely separate entity alltogether. might get people to climb out from their beloved Polys once in a while too

ZT:GRIM

oh and as for your poll question.. i don't understand it. Maybe.....

Kipperlips

flying around EA atm all i see is a few peeps macroing and it is sad.. i can uderstand it though because when it comes to it lvling WT on EA is just a matter of finding a mob and a ledge or some other object to trap the mob behind and tapping the hell out of fire and that is no fun at all, EA is a skill based game but that is for questing and PVP lvling is more of a grind or choore than any other game i can think of and it always has been so the way the game is designed people will always be forced to macro because of boredom or sore finger. i have not macroed yet bu later on i think i will be forced to unless i wanna spend weeks of staring at a mob tapping fire and getting artheritis :P lvling in EA is not fun but neither is macroing but the thing is that macroing is not a choore so thats why people do it. the big question is how to make lvling fun? i think grim has a good idea by having quest mobs that give more HP so you lvl as you progress or another idea is xp rewrds for completing quests and then people could have choice to get xp from redoing quest or by grinding (xp for quests is just a quick thaught, it may have problems but i havnt thaught too much about it) atm i just have hide multibinded to my shoot and forwrd keys so im lvling it while i move and shoot stuff but i wouldnt call that macroing :P

is just my view on macroing, i did not read all that text it started to burn my eyes

Jason Lee

Uh, remember, the only real macroing that can get you banned is the type of macroing where a mob is involved...

You cant AFK macro/level on mobs.

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samtheman768

Blah havent we all gone over this?

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BlanK

I dunno I've never shoot macroed because I've never really cared enough to do it. Not worth my time. I've macro'd hide by putting a weight on my h key though for a week or so while I was gone (only to find out I got about a day out of it). I don't really understand the rush to max out your levels, take your time and see what's around you, mess around and do stupid **** like riding a bike with crossed hands (actually don't do that, it hurts).

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Bullet

The alternative is to NOT have to sit in front of a red bot for WEEKS because it gets BORING. Might add some things to the game to stretch it out so it is not all GRINDING. When we find time to play, sitting days , staring and shooting at something is not what stimulates the blood lol Love the game BUT... Yes... I purposely emphasized some words because certain people on the staff can't read fine print. Have a nice day.

Bullet

P.S. I hope ya realize too that everything to level on has been blocked or made not to give stats so we are down to one bot. Of course the reply will be, SHOOT MOBS. lol Ok we shoot the bot for weeks to get leveled up, my god, imagine how long it would take shooting mobs lol Ok I done. ~ HUGS~

solodynasty

I've have used a shoot macro but was only cause I was leveling SS with inf stount and my hand started to cramp after about the 1000000 click. Never went AFK though lol.
Indeed we have. Remember there are new people coming in everyday that dont know about whats happening in EA. We had a discussion like this a while ago and came to end that any macro (AFK macro) involved with Mobs is illegal.
Easily lol.
Hasnt everyone? :P Although Id rather use magic but no unequip button so :/

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GM Latnia

Bottom line unattended macroing of melee skill or weapons skill will get you tossed in the bogs.

We have gone over this already and it will not be changed. As far as macroing in general do it where you do not bother other people or do not get bothered yourself.

Friendly reminder: this game is not to see who can level in weeks or who has the highest stats. The game was made for you to enjoy yourself and not to cheat the system and try to find the best boss that you can cheat on to level your character.

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Sumdude

There shouldn't be a discrimination between light and heavy gamers. If you're playing for a little fun, play 1-2 hours a day and have a little expedition every day for a quest or something. If you're competitive, blow your mind off and play 6 hours a day getting your character's level as high as you can. Either way, don't macro. If you're desperate for level 15, work hard for it. If not, relax and cruise.
On a side note, there really should be some more stuff in between the higher levels, with the time it takes to get there.

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Taylor

Wait. Jason Lee = SnOwFoX?

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BlanK

Oui oui.

(Yes, yes it does).

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Delrick

macroing is always considered cheating, if you dont have enough time to play the game for 6 hours a day thats fine, but you level slower.. it makes sense, you level as often as you play, no more then that. And if you macro, and therefore level up alot while not playing, then come back to be a higher level, you'll be a high level with the knowledge and experience of a low level.

0OutlawO0

Remove macroing and put in the famous 'Rest' System. A very popular game that uses this utility is World of Warcraft. This is taken from its website.