Presidential Debate Tonight - Endless Ages

**oogie** · 10-15-2008, 02:34 PM

Who's going to watch?

What would you like to hear answered out of the candidates?

Who do you think won the last one?

Come on guys and gals, this IS important.

Linkster · 10-15-2008, 03:37 PM

i might watch..hell i think Obama is gunna take the whole election...and unfortunately there will be some rednecks down south that dont like "his kind" (as they would say lol) and might assassinate him lol but idk...somthings gotta happen >.<

solodynasty · 10-15-2008, 04:03 PM

I dont care too much. I think they are both pretty good canidates and worthy of presidency but I think its tipping taword Obama (Based on current poles). But who knows, maybe McCain maybe Obama, guess we will have to see, eh. :P

Sumdude · 10-15-2008, 06:43 PM

Well, to state all the typical sophomoric reasons why we're screwed with this election...
Obama may get elected but will get assassinated, for obvious reasons which probably aren't allowed on this forum.
McCain may get elected but will die of old age within a year, leaving us with Sarah Palin. I don't think I need to say any more. You're probably shuddering right now.

But getting down to serious stuff.
Anyone notice how McCain's ads are all negative? At the last debate Obama specifically stated that they weren't there to point fingers at each other. McCain just kept on going in the debate. Any thoughts, objections, insights?

pompe · 10-15-2008, 07:14 PM

well this is not my election but i do notice that u yanks seem to care a lot about how they r as persons?
is it not more interesting what kind of opinions and what politics they will have. here in sweden we wote on what our leaders will do not who they r or how they look.
if any politician would atack his oponent and saying they r a bad person or insinuate that they r stupid evil or what ever. they would be laughed at and told to go back to kindergarten.

this discussion is so hard to do since english is not my native language but i hope my point gets trough anyway.

with respect, POMPE

Linkster · 10-15-2008, 07:21 PM

i agree with pompe...but sumtimes its not all about business..sumtimes it comes down to whether the person is likable or not...like his personality..i do think most is based on there action in office and wat they get done..but i agree wit sumdude haha..they will most likely both die >.<

green death · 10-15-2008, 08:19 PM

the world isnt right....i doubt theres a single country out there with an uncorrupted government.....or an elected official thats elected solely based on there platform...

..i would so LOVE that they would be....id be happy if half of them do..

...id take up religion just to pray to who/whatever that officals would say just what the public wants to hear...

...i can only hope i live to see a president in this country...USA...that would speak what came to his mind.. ..how he should react to situations. ..how he should strive to better his country before acting like there the UN...

....oh crap i got my mind runing....i gota stop now

AS ALWAYS this is another aspergers view point

Impact · 10-16-2008, 01:17 AM

Yeah when work is slow my boss pops on the TV and always watches the debates when they are on.

From what I can tell if McCain wins we are stuck with 4 more years of Bush BS..

If Obama wins (I am voteing for Obama) there is promise of a way out of the problems we have..... However the draw back is that I don't think the country is ready for a black president, I think he will most likely be assasinated and I don't know much about his running mate Joe who ever... Either way I think we are pretty screwed.

But I keep hope, and try to learn about both canidates and their running mates as much as possable but I haven't kept track of the race as much as I would have liked so my opinion is based off snap judgments of bits and pieces I hear on TV at work and hear say of people on CNN which really has no bareing on any thing to do with what the canidates will do once in office.

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Originally Posted by Sumdude

Well, to state all the typical sophomoric reasons why we're screwed with this election...
Obama may get elected but will get assassinated, for obvious reasons which probably aren't allowed on this forum.
McCain may get elected but will die of old age within a year, leaving us with Sarah Palin. I don't think I need to say any more. You're probably shuddering right now.

But getting down to serious stuff.
Anyone notice how McCain's ads are all negative? At the last debate Obama specifically stated that they weren't there to point fingers at each other. McCain just kept on going in the debate. Any thoughts, objections, insights?

My bad I didn't read your post till after I posted mine but I think you said it better and I don't think any one can object to our logic...

We have a choice between to bowls of Sh!t... The American people are screwed in either case, but.... just maybe there is hope.

Akai The Froggy · 10-16-2008, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

i might watch..hell i think Obama is gunna take the whole election...and unfortunately there will be some rednecks down south that dont like "his kind" (as they would say lol) and might assassinate him lol but idk...somthings gotta happen >.<

O.o dude I am TOTALLY AFRAID to go to Texas and all them southern states BUT I think the "Bible Belt" is where I am the most fearful of going.....My boyfriend's Full blooded Native Amercian ........(kinda an inter-racial relationship) and you know how they feel about those.....

I think Obama is gonna rip Mr. McCain a new arse!!!

EDIT: For Deathlight: I was at the airport a while back with my boyfriend waiting for his aunt and this beligerant a-hole from TEXAS pushed both of us aside like we didn't exist and said something to the fact of "watch yer back ma'am he may scalp you." HOWEVER I do appoligize....it's just....I've had a bad run in with a lot of people who are from that area and are TERRIBLE.......

**oogie** · 10-16-2008, 02:36 AM

well this is where I'm going to be a tad personal and a touch evil.

First off, I'm not only what many of you would term a hillbilly but a southerner through and through. My mom's side of the family family has pictures of our ancestors wearing both the gray AND the blue. My father's side - stepped straight off the reservation. I can tell you all from my own opinion, that you're affixing a stereotype to people who don't deserve it. Not everyone who might fit in as a southerner or a Native American dislikes Senator Obama because of who he is. I think the word you need to use is Racist as to whom hates Senator Obama enough to try to murder him. God please forbid!

I think the last debate was a draw but this one, I think went to Senator McCain as he kept driving home points. Senator Obama however, came across better and was most eloquent. I have questions to both candidates but mostly it's about how they expect to do all the things they both say-- without having to create considerable funding from-- you guessed it -- Taxes.

I'd like to know if Senator Obama really does give working, middle class families the tax breaks he states he will get-- how is that going to generate the funding to bring our troops home, funding for research into energy independence and 'fix' an already critical Social Security/ Medicare and education? How is giving the kinds of economic breaks he states he wants to make going to come about and help the credit crunch?

Senator McCain, his economic plan seems more intensive but still it too doesn't seem to address the issues right now. I did like how he FINALLY seemed to be on point, at least most of the evening. I did NOT like however how he attacked rather like a child -- "oh so and so hurt my feelings". Please. diplomacy is a serious part of the job.

I would personally like to see them both address the needs of the military families and what EXACTLY their stance is on guns. ((I enjoy hunting and protecting my family- what can I say?) I've heard a rumor that Senator Obama wants to put a tax on these things and regulate what TYPE of weapon you can own, less lone buy. I do not however believe this rumor but I would like to hear from his own lips his stance on it. I'm pretty sure, but not totally aware of what M. McCain's stance is -- but I somehow think he's he's an advocate for weapons...but doesn't say what kind, what restrictions and so forth.

I didn't see either of them address their stance on like hydrogen powered cars--- there is no infrastructure in place but the auto makers CAN crank them out by the hundreds. How to fill them up is the issue. How to change the national infrastructure over to these alternative fuel methods. PLEASE wake these two up-- ethanol from corn or sugar cane is NOT an option ok? Quit driving my groceries prices up with that crap. Some of this stuff they are coming up with is straight "off the grid" type stuff... please use your brains gents.

Ok - I'm done being personal and a tad evil.

Impact · 10-16-2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by oogie

First off, I'm not only what many of you would term a hillbilly but a southerner through and through. My mom's side of the family family has pictures of our ancestors wearing both the gray AND the blue. My father's side - stepped straight off the reservation. I can tell you all from my own opinion, that you're affixing a stereotype to people who don't deserve it. Not everyone who might fit in as a southerner or a Native American dislikes Senator Obama because of who he is. I think the word you need to use is Racist as to whom hates Senator Obama enough to try to murder him. God please forbid!

First off I would never use the insulting term REDNECK or HILLBILLY for any educated person such as yourself Southern or otherwise. I don't think you're a racist for being Southern; I myself have several Southern friends from Virginia, Georgia, and a few other Southern states, however I will use the term REDNECK and HILLBILLY for racist un-open minded people such as the KKK and other ignorant people of any state that have problem with Senator Obama being a Black man.

In my opinion referring to people by race is in its self racist, I believe we should eliminate the need for a Black race, a White race, or any other ethnic group that is classified as a Race by color. What we need to realize is that we are all the same and if you believe in Evolution or are a Biblical follower and believe in Genesis either way you cannot deny the fact that we in some way are all related and need to consider our self as the Human Race not black, white, and so on.

My main fear is that the followers of Senator Obama won't protect him with the same heart, courage, and downright determination as the people that will be attacking him. Yes this can include Racists and the KKK or who knows, maybe I am missing a political part entirely that would wish to see not Senator Obama assassinated but President Obama. Forgive me if my opinions can't really be backed up with proof I am going off pure feeling, and relying on my knowledge of history and Empires long past.

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Originally Posted by oogie

I didn't see either of them address their stance on like hydrogen powered cars--- there is no infrastructure in place but the auto makers CAN crank them out by the hundreds. How to fill them up is the issue. How to change the national infrastructure over to these alternative fuel methods. PLEASE wake these two up-- ethanol from corn or sugar cane is NOT an option ok? Quit driving my groceries prices up with that crap. Some of this stuff they are coming up with is straight "off the grid" type stuff... please use your brains gents.

However, a good note for Mr. John McCain and his campaign. His running mate Sarah Palin the governor of Alaska has done more than one good thing for her state of Alaska when it comes down to "eco friendly measures" I can't quote exactly yet I have picked up bits and pieces here and there. But maybe if McCain is elected Sarah Palin can help out a little by urging breaks for America's energy crisis in good productive ways.

I can't quite comment on anything else like I have said I have only gotten bits from the debates and what both Senator Obama and John Mcain have said. I recently have found on my DVR a full list of all the presidential debates, and will watch them as soon as I have time.

**oogie** · 10-16-2008, 08:41 AM

Someone grab a calendar QUICK---Impact and I agree on something--- mark it down!!!

I agree completely. We ARE the HUMAN race. Labels are so limiting and really doesn't reflect both sides of the spectrum of a given demographic. People should be judged upon their given merits of themselves, not their race, religion, politics or whatever.

Well done Impact. Well done.

Impact · 10-16-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by oogie

Someone grab a calendar QUICK---Impact and I agree on something--- mark it down!!!

I agree completely. We ARE the HUMAN race. Labels are so limiting and really doesn't reflect both sides of the spectrum of a given demographic. People should be judged upon their given merits of themselves, not their race, religion, politics or whatever.

Well done Impact. Well done.

Thank you Oogie,

I am glad we could finally agree on something also.

I am sure we could have more to agree on and probably some cival arguments on politics if I kept track of our present American political situations, it's a shame I have not :P

And let it be known that on October 16 2008!!! OOGIE AND IMPACT HAVE AGREED!!!!

green death · 10-16-2008, 09:05 AM

finaly someone gets something about my mind........i tend to go a little to far but i do consider those that use labels to be a tad racist......ive known ppl (my level of what ud call a friend) of every color, race, religion,homeland, but there American (for what its worth) as far as i care

another point with the not everyone from the southern stats are racist....i know im not......(personally i think link is but ur supposed to bash on ur siblings)..we were both born and mostly raised in Louisiana....literally in the woods were about half of the ppl of our town was related at least 1 or 2 cousins over

Impact · 10-16-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by green death

finaly someone gets something about my mind........i tend to go a little to far but i do consider those that use labels to be a tad racist......ive known ppl (my level of what ud call a friend) of every color, race, religion,homeland, but there American (for what its worth) as far as i care

another point with the not everyone from the southern stats are racist....i know im not......(personally i think link is but ur supposed to bash on ur siblings)..we were both born and mostly raised in Louisiana....literally in the woods were about half of the ppl of our town was related at least 1 or 2 cousins over

I was born and raised around racist people and bigits, I used to be some what racist my self.

I grew up in a town called Pueblo here in Colorado. The Black population is about... 30 lol not % but people, and it is mostly Hispanic and white. But I went to school in the town North from there Colorado Springs, and I started to make black friends, but even then I had an idea in my head about certain races.

But recently I started working at an Indian restaurant. The owner, his wife, his son, and the cook are all from India.. At first I considered everyone from that region as Towel heads and low life people from a crummy third world country. But, as I started to work there I learned a lot about them and other middle eastern countries, their history, customs, work ethic, and many other things.. I could go on but the point is it changed my whole perspective on people and the human race as a whole, opened my eyes and a little bit of my ignorance subsided.

Unfortunately... I do know a lot of racist people, some of the Pakistani people and even some Indian people that come into the restaurant do not like white people, it is so bad some times that if I wait on them they will call me an American infidel and other things and leave or at the very lest they will request my boss or his son to take their order.

I wish there was some way to unite the world as a whole, no borders or boundaries, no more senseless chaos and murder for skin color and religion.

No more race..... Just the Human Race...

Linkster · 10-16-2008, 10:23 AM

heh..i used to be a racist...and i know many ppl who are and its sad really. but i agree with you 100% impact

Sumdude · 10-16-2008, 01:49 PM

Stereotypes are fun, aren't they?

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Originally Posted by oogie

I think the last debate was a draw but this one, I think went to Senator McCain as he kept driving home points. Senator Obama however, came across better and was most eloquent. I have questions to both candidates but mostly it's about how they expect to do all the things they both say-- without having to create considerable funding from-- you guessed it -- Taxes.

I'd like to know if Senator Obama really does give working, middle class families the tax breaks he states he will get-- how is that going to generate the funding to bring our troops home, funding for research into energy independence and 'fix' an already critical Social Security/ Medicare and education? How is giving the kinds of economic breaks he states he wants to make going to come about and help the credit crunch?

In the debate before this one, Obama stated that the raise in taxes caused by certain propositions would be balanced by tax cuts. This means the money to fund those propositions will come from those whose taxes are raised, but not cut, which will most likely be the upper class and large businesses, right? McCain stated that businesses shouldn't be taxed more, but rather, they should be encouraged. There are gaping holes in both candidate's statements. Tax cuts for the middle class and increased taxes for businesses would have to be balanced properly in the former case. In the latter, McCain hasn't stated where the money will come from to fund his plans. (Obama hasn't stated it either, but I made a logical assumption as a potential answer.)

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Originally Posted by oogie

PLEASE wake these two up-- ethanol from corn or sugar cane is NOT an option ok? Quit driving my groceries prices up with that crap. Some of this stuff they are coming up with is straight "off the grid" type stuff... please use your brains gents.

Tell someone in any third world country that we're using corn to fuel our cars...

Akai The Froggy · 10-16-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Impact

I was born and raised around racist people and bigits, I used to be some what racist my self.

I grew up in a town called Pueblo here in Colorado. The Black population is about... 30 lol not % but people, and it is mostly Hispanic and white. But I went to school in the town North from there Colorado Springs, and I started to make black friends, but even then I had an idea in my head about certain races.

But recently I started working at an Indian restaurant. The owner, his wife, his son, and the cook are all from India.. At first I considered everyone from that region as Towel heads and low life people from a crummy third world country. But, as I started to work there I learned a lot about them and other middle eastern countries, their history, customs, work ethic, and many other things.. I could go on but the point is it changed my whole perspective on people and the human race as a whole, opened my eyes and a little bit of my ignorance subsided.

Unfortunately... I do know a lot of racist people, some of the Pakistani people and even some Indian people that come into the restaurant do not like white people, it is so bad some times that if I wait on them they will call me an American infidel and other things and leave or at the very lest they will request my boss or his son to take their order.

I wish there was some way to unite the world as a whole, no borders or boundaries, no more senseless chaos and murder for skin color and religion.

No more race..... Just the Human Race...

The people from that region aren't all that bad....I have a good friend whos from Iran...and another from India....They're hard working people and do anything to make their clients happy. They look at the caucasions around here and just point and laugh at their stupidity and still treat them like nothings wrong...

(/start rant)

Racism is a very ugly thing and it makes me sad when I see it. To judge people just by their ethic backround is just stupid and it really needs to stop I agree whole heartedly with you on that one...I have been a victim of it and I've seen it....Just because my grandmother was full Japanese and I am 1/4 does NOT mean I will Kameakazi an aircraft carrier or Pearl Harbor (some of the things my grandmother and myself have heard)

I believe in the rule "if you don't have anything nice to say about somebody, don't say anything at ALL" I think that if a lot of people followed this rule........the world would be almost silent!

(/end rant)